Memo Yanks: Socialised Health-Care Sucks

I’m always amazed at the number of Americans who seem to have fallen for first Hillary’s, then Obama’s, delusion  of “Free Healthcare for Everyone!”  So here’s a warning from an American-born Australian:  Socialised/’Universal’ Health-Care is by necessity Rationed Health-Care. And, of course, it’s not really “free.”

Every day I see examples and hear anecdotes about this just in my home state of Western Australia.   People with the financial resources “queue-jumping” and paying cash to buy themselves out of the “free” public system and those without financial resources being left behind.  With some cancer drugs, for instance, costing up to $50,000/year, and high-tech equipment so very expensive for hospitals to purchase and maintain, who in their right mind wouldn’t have seen stories like this coming?

From The West Australian:

Cancer Services ‘Close to Collapse’

There is a looming crisis in WA cancer services because of an alarming shortage of medical specialists and equipment and long waiting lists for treatment such as chemotherapy, a damning independent review has found.

A Cancer Council-commissioned audit, prompted by patient complaints and funded partly by the WA Health Department, warns that unless urgent action is taken, the system could collapse within five years as it struggles to cope with an estimated 50,000 new cancer cases on top of the existing load.

The report, by University of New South Wales professor of radiation oncology Michael Barton, found that while cancer treatment in WA was usually of a high standard, inadequate facilities and staff shortages were major concerns. It also warned new cancer facilities such as those planned for the Fiona Stanley Hospital would not meet demand.

Professor Barton warned WA faced 10,000 new cancer cases a year, rising by three to four per cent a year, but facilities and equipment were unable to cope. Urgently needed equipment included five extra linear accelerators used for radiation therapy.

Facilities in public hospitals for chemotherapy patients were overcrowded, with patients often waiting many hours to be seen by a junior doctor for 10 or 15 minutes. Treatment areas at Royal Perth Hospital were “dangerously overcrowded”.

Some high-cost cancer treatments were available only to privately insured patients or those willing to pay. And patients living in rural areas were at greatest risk of missing out on vital treatment.

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Now Western Australia is not some  cash-strapped developing nation.  We are in the midst of a minerals and energy boom the likes of which Australia has never seen, and our State (with about 2 million people to service) regularly runs budget surpluses  of over $2 billion.

But in Western Australia you can see what happens when you have the double whammy of an incompetent Leftist (ALP) government and a Socialised Health-Care system.

So come on,  Americans, think:  Does any government, anywhere in the world, do such a stellar job on the things they’re already responsible for that you want them in charge of all of your health-care needs as well?

Repeat after me:  Socialised/’Universal’ Health-Care is by necessity Rationed Health-Care.

And it’s more expensive, in more ways, than you might think.

24 Responses to “Memo Yanks: Socialised Health-Care Sucks”

  1. Ash Says:

    In the interests of making sure that you can email me Myles, my email address is . Go for it!

    To that creep in Summerland Point: If you email me, I swear to Him Above that I’ll have you charged and your ass in court faster than it took the prison guards to shoot the murderous Ronnie. I PROMISE.

  2. tizona Says:

    Damn straight it is, Sir Spot.

    On the other hand, WE do have a problem as a (Yank/Aussie) knows, that must be fixed.

    Presidents (and would be) can propose all the ideas they want, but it must get through a gang of some 535 plus. That’s where the fix, if there is any stalls and stalls…By BOTH parties.

    Then the insurance lobby, then the physician lobby, then the drug lobby. I’d like to show all of these damn people, 535 plus included THE lobby and tell all these asshats to not let the door hit ‘em in the ass, on the way out.

  3. spot_the_dog Says:

    Yeah, I know the current US system is slightly “broken” too – the powerful lobbies you mention need some taking in hand.

    But I think the worst thing America could do, in trying to “fix” its health care system, is go the socialised/universal/State-run route.

    Like other forms of Socialism, the “idea” of socialised health care is a lot prettier than the reality of it.

  4. tizona Says:

    Sure IS (damn it) good fellow. The socialist Utopian solution always looks great on paper.

    The pressure these illegals put on the health care system, is outrageous. Then of course we have the hard working families, that are given bare if any benefits at all. Then we have investors (us) in insurance and business stocks…Gotta’ watch that bottom line. It’s screwed.

    Great idea you have though for the lobbyist’s, Islamic law…taking their hands. ;)

  5. mylesfromnowhere Says:

    You cant save everyone from every disease especially as treatments (drug or others wise) become more and more expensive. Core health care should be decided on and paid for 100%…. some services have to be delisted. The rich will always get better health care than the poor and that is just a sad reality…. the only thing that will change that is taking up guns… and that only works for a while.

  6. spot_the_dog Says:

    One problem as I see it though, Myles, is that “Universal” Health Care gives people the illusion that Teh Gumbint gonna take care of you without you having to set aside any “rainy day money” or invest in private coverage – and it’s not just “poor people” in Australia who believe in Socialised medicine covering everyone, no matter their income; it’s a lot of middle-class folks too.

    Folks who, if they had (a) been told that the government will and indeed does need to ration “free” healthcare might have taken more responsibility in making some provisions for themselves, and (b) been able to keep a few more of their tax dollars and invest them in funds for their future health care needs, might end up with better outcomes.

    It’s the buying-into the myth of “free, universal health care” that runs a lot of folks into the stark wall of reality when they find themselves or a loved one in ill health, IMHO. Why not tell them, “Hey, you should aim to set aside $25k for that day that you or a family member might come down with cancer,” instead of letting them believe that they don’t need to worry about it, that if it happens Teh Gubmint gonna make it all right?

  7. mylesfromnowhere Says:

    That is why I am all for a two teir system where you can purchase your own coverage… it only makes me nervous in Canada about being swallowed up by the mess that is the American System

  8. spot_the_dog Says:

    “The mess that is the American system”

    Is it the insurance companies (and the fact that most people in America, having insurance, don’t know and don’t care what the bill is, so the health industry & insurance industry have been queering the whole sheme ) that’s messing up those systems? I wish I knew.

    Surely there has to be some way for America to make their health care system more equitable/affordable without sacrificing the things which have made them the world-beater in quality of care – which is what Socialised Health Care inevitable tends to do (end up with a second- or third-rate system, that is)?

    Most nations which have socialised health care are, indirectly as it may be, subsidised by America and Americans in terms of meds and treatment innovations… Nuke America’s healthcare system thru Socialism and where will the innovations and treatments-of-last-resort come from?

  9. space cadette Says:

    We got socialized health care here. It is not the best but it is very good. Almost everyone (those who want one or has a job including their family members) is subsidized by the government. Yet very few rely on it. We got private life/health insurances here. It’s almost a must have like a house, a car and a job. Of course, we are willing to pay higher taxes for those benefits.

  10. bingbing Says:

    The socialist Utopian solution always looks great on paper.

    Yep. It sure does. Just go to the official North Korean (DPRK) homepage and read about their ‘Juche’ philosophy. It sounds fantastic. Sorry, no link. The South Koreans (ROK) block that particular page from over here.
    ______________________

    SC, honey, baby, that’s absolute bullshit SK has socialised health care. If they do, then why am I going 50/50 with my employer for health insurance? If so, then why did I have to pay about 50 bucks for the (government) hospital to treat me for food poisoning that time (chest X-ray and a sugar drip)? Yes, my employer is the government this time ’round, but last contract, a private institute went the 50/50 with me. Same shit. It’s thanks to me and them paying that 100 bucks a month that my visit to the doctor for a cold costs only about $4. Oh, and you remember that guy in Seoul who was very badly burnt? Then why did all of us have to raise money for his medical bills which climbed into the hundreds of thousands (before he died)? And the guy in Daegu who miscalculated the distance between bridge spans, fell to the rocks below, then later died in hospital. Why did we have to have an auction for him to raise money for his hospital bills? Socialised health care my arse.

    It’s not universal, err, socialised, err, free, here in Korea and nor should it be.

    Of course, we are willing to pay higher taxes for those benefits.

    Higher taxes? I pay 3.3% income tax. C’mon baby. You gotta do better than that!

    Look, even the US has some form of socialised health care. Read: emergency treatment. But socialising the whole freakin’ system? Bad news. That’s why no decent (do any?) countries do it.

    There’s no way Obama will do it anyway. If he gets in, he’ll play tricksies for sure… especially after he gets the cost/benefit estimates.

  11. bingbing Says:

    Gotta’ watch that bottom line.

    Well of course the bottom line has to be watched. No, it’s not feel good inc. stuff but if they don’t, then there’ll be no bloody health system left.

    Gotta have a good economy first.

  12. bingbing Says:

    PS. SC When you see this, are you gonna argue that had it been you, a Korean citizen, who went to the hospital that night for food poisoning, that you would have had to pay precisely zero?

    Just wondering.

    PPS Do you pay precisely zero when you see the doc for a common cold?

  13. space cadette Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1447690

    http://www.quickoverview.com/issues/universal-healthcare-system.html

    Most people have private health insurance plus the government’s so basically they pay almost nothing. If they do not want to pay, they could.

    This would depend on what services they want to get (private room with toilet, TV, PC etc.etc). If they rely only on the government’s health care – it’s good enough.

    Yes, it’s 100% free, if I would go to the government’s hospitals and go through the process and/or reimbursing.

    Also, it would depend on the condition and treatment.

  14. mylesfromnowhere Says:

    Comment Removed. Direct all criticism my way :)

    My decision, and I’ll explain why through email.

    Sorry Myles, but I can’t let this particular comment run.

    – Ash

  15. bingbing Says:

    Na, just ‘junk’ and/or ’spam’ the poor man. That email addy is public domain now. Not sure which laws would apply being able to charge him.

    Richard, I know I was very harsh a little while back suggesting you should do what your brother did. That was in poor taste. I was frustrated at your constant, pathetic trollings. Your comments are in very poor taste, also. I’m in two minds about you. I want to help you but you reject it. Other times…

    My bad. I’m not going through emotional distress. But can’t you see that antagonising others isn’t the solution? It only causes more pain.

    Or are you one really that morally vacuous? I pity you if you are.

    Either way, you’ll never post here.

    And don’t be so sure Ash will take my advice.

  16. Ash Says:

    Bingbing,

    The comment may be re-instated pending the decision of one of our authors, which is why it’s undergoing the scrutiny it is, and why the comment requires the opinion of someone away from the original decision to begin with. If that author feels I’m wrong, the comment will be put up and judged on it’s merit, and my opinion will be judged by others.

    I (Ash) will certainly not take your advice on whether to junk or permit someone based on whether she thinks emotional distress is a factor. I have a policy that I may fuck up, and other authors can make the decision.

    I’m not perfect, but there are solutions.

    Ash.

  17. bingbing Says:

    The ‘poor man’ I was referring to was not Myles.

  18. Ash Says:

    You mean the guy with no money? you monster!

  19. bingbing Says:

    No money and no cred, lol. But no, not myles. ;-)

  20. bingbing Says:

    Just to be clear, having not read the deleted comment, I have no beef with myles. No money and no cred was referring to that other little thingy.

  21. bingbing Says:

    In fact, myles is the dude who, by proxy, started the Haiku thread.

  22. spot_the_dog Says:

    Nothing wrong with Myles – that one comment was just a bit off, is all. But Myles is generally cool. If quirky.

  23. mylesfromnowhere Says:

    Yall are a sweet bunch of eclectic revolutionaries…. I apologize if I offended anyone


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