All I asked for was an explanation

Got myself into a very heated argument with a young British Muslim woman on Thursday night. It all started when I politely asked her to explain the following. So why didn’t she explain it satisfactorily and instead, attack me personally? The following is commonly known as the Verse of the Sword. It appears late in the Koran and, thus abrogates earlier peaceful injunctions.

9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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7 Responses to “All I asked for was an explanation”

  1. cudweeds Says:

    Don’t leave us hanging! Would love to hear details of the argument…

  2. thefrollickingmole Says:

    Did her arguement boil down to “I kill you!!! Ulululululululu!!! ?
    Post a few back and forths if you can, could be amusing.
    I also find it interesting how many times the “Islam is peaceful” brigade neglect to mention that the Koran is meant to be read as the later verses can cancel out or override the earlier (and coincidentaly when Mohammed was weaker) verses.

  3. bingbingloveshisblingbling Says:

    Well, had had a few drinks (and then some) but basically she asked me to prove where the verse was in the Koran. Not having a copy on me and being in a bar (away from the Internet), naturally I couldn’t. So she then retaliated stating I didn’t know what I was talking about. She then went on to say killing people is inexcusable. So, I then asked her so if it’s inexcusable, why does that verse appear, and appear late, in her Koran? Then, she again asked me to prove my claim, on the spot, and because I couldn’t, she said I hadn’t done my homework and didn’t understand Muslims. Ironic since it was more understanding I was searching for but instead received denial.

  4. bingbingloveshisblingbling Says:

    PS And ridicule because I apparently didn’t know my stuff. Not once did she admit the verse exists, let alone explain it and rather, questioned my integrity in front of everyone including my girlfriend thus making me out to look like a lie-peddling asshole.

  5. thefrollickingmole Says:

    Heres a Koran translation site with the verse you refer to.

    The search part isnt that good but if you know the verse you are after v-good

    Heres the page yours is on
    “..[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful..”

    Right at 9.5 where you said it was. Pretty piss poor Muslim if she doesnt know her own holy book eh?

  6. bingbing Says:

    Yeah. Not as if I know the bible backwards, but it seems to me 9.5, shocking and inflammatory as it is, should surely be known or at least known of. Her ignorance of it and her ensuing questioning of my integrity, in front of everyone, smacks of deception.

  7. Rebecca H Says:

    I have never tried to engage a Muslim in conversation about their religion, but I’ve been around when others did it (in a university office, not a bar). They react uniformly to anything that hints of criticism, which is to say the conversation degenerates to anger and accusations pretty quickly.

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