This article here is a great read for anyone wanting to see a bit about the differences in the mindset between Westerners and Muslims.
The straightforward explanation of how a pride based culture can be incredibly self defeating is a compelling one.
Heres a few excerpts.
“Discussing psychological characteristics of the Muslim culture is important. Denmark has foreigners from all over the world and according to official statistics from Danmarks Statistik all non-Muslim groups of immigrants are less criminal than the ethnic Danes. Even after adjusting, according to educational and economic levels, all Muslim groups are more criminal than any other ethnic group. Seven out of 10, in the youth prison where I worked, were Muslim.”
So a fairly clear correlation between criminal behaviour and adherents of the Muslim faith. Other ethnic minorities which should suffer much of the same disadvantages are actually underrepresented
Expressions of anger and threats are probably the quickest way to lose one’s face in Western culture. In discussions, those who lose their temper have automatically lost, and I guess most people have observed the feeling of shame and loss of social status following expressions of aggression at one’s work place or at home. In the Muslim culture, aggressive behavior, especially threats, are generally seen to be accepted, and even expected as a way of handling conflicts and social discrepancies. If a Muslim does not respond in a threatening way to insults or social irritation, he, not “she” (Muslim women are, mostly, expected to be humble and to not show power) is seen as weak, as someone who cannot be depended upon and loses face.
This was a common experience when I was working in detention centres. Ive broken up arguments between blokes apparently about to fly at each other, only to have one tip me a wink to let me know it wasnt serious as it looked. The thing was to not be seen as weak or taking a backward step to the group. Id argue this same perverted pride based posturing is what drives a great deal of the Australian underclass’ criminality as well. An undeserved feeling of self importance and fear of being seen as weak.
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“This cultural difference is exceedingly important when dealing with Muslim regimes and organizations. Our way of handling political disagreement goes through diplomatic dialogue, and calls on Muslim leaders to use compassion, compromise and common sense. This peaceful approach is seen by Muslims as an expression of weakness and lack of courage. Thus avoiding the risks of a real fight is seen by them as weakness; when experienced in Muslim culture, it is an invitation to exploitation.”
So much for Obamas “reaching out”, he may actually be helping to generate the type of responses he wishes to avoid. The most respected officer we had at Port Hedland was a female. However she had no compulsion about dropping any detainee who slighted her. This fit well with the theory put forward here.
“Thus, the locus of control is central to the individual’s understanding of freedom and responsibility. Even though our Christian based societies may, in certain situations, give too much emphasis on feelings of guilt; it also strengthens the individual’s sense of being able to take responsibility for, and change one’s own life. In societies shaped under Islamic and Qu’ranic influence there may be fewer feelings of guilt and thus, more freedom to demand the surroundings to adapt to one’s own wishes and desires. This may include demands to wear Islamic costumes which can result in more Muslim demands for Islamization of our Western societies, but it is also a powerful source of victim mentality and leads to endless demands on one’s surroundings. In a very concrete way this cultural tendency, shows itself in therapy, as a lack of remorse. The standard answer from violent Muslims was always: “…It is his own fault that I beat him up. He provoked me.”..”
This was also visible in Detention centres here in Australia, detainees rejected for asylum always blamed the system, even when they privately confessed their claims were without merit. There was always “proof” the system was biased against them as an individual, because they knew someone else less deserving (in their eyes) who had been granted a visa.
“During my years as a social worker, and later as a psychologist for antisocial individuals, I have realized that the only, reasonable way forward is to follow this three step procedure:
2) Establish Boundaries and limitations. If this does not work, then set